Robin Soweka


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Mucv-nettv hvtvm nettv hę̄re-mahen, ’svkvsvppuece-mahet owen.
Today is another beautiful day, it’s a little chilly.

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Paksvnkē tat orēn hiye fullet owet owisen, mucv-nettv tat nettv hę̄re-mahet owen.
It was really hot yesterday, but today is a nice day.

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Vcvwikē– vcvwihē ohlikat– vcvwikē ohlikat mvt,
The one sitting next to me,

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hocefkv, Robin Soweka hocefkvt os.
his name is Robin Soweka.

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Cehocekfkv vhaket naket owa?
What is your nickname?

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Chub.
Chub.

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Mvt, estimvt este eskerkusowēs pum estvlke puhocefaket owvntok.
There was usually a certain person in the family that named us.

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Estimvt mvt cehocēfemvtē?
Who gave you your name?

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Cvpuca tate mv cvhocefvtēt o.
My late grandpa gave me that name.

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Nak stowen?
Why?

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Kerraks. Mv tat [vm] onahoyekatē[s].
I don’t know. They didn’t tell me that.

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Cem vretv owat ’ste hēcat hvtą ’stowusēt ’ste ’mvretv ont owat onkv hvtą
They would watch how you behaved or then

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hompē mahvkēt ont owat nak mowekuset ’ste hocef– ’ste hocefho– ’ste hocefakt owēmvtok.
if you ate a lot, that’s how you were named– given a name– that’s how they gave names.

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Owen estimvt cem estvlkt owa? Cecke monkat cerke monkat cepuca take tis.
Who is your family? Your mom or your dad or your grandparents and such.

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Cvpuca
My grandpa

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Louis Soweka hocefkvt owemvtok.
Louis Soweka was his name.

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Sēkulo hocefhoyemvtok. Cvpuse, Wisey, Wisey Scott.
They called him Sekulo, too. My grandma was Wisey, Wisey Scott.

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Mv cvrke tat, Robert Soweka. Henryetta.
My late father was Robert Soweka. From Henryetta.

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Cvcke, Susie Manly Soweka.
́My mom was Susie Manly Soweka.

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Wetumka mvn avcolvtēt o.
He grew up in Wetumka.

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Hokkolvt este Semvnolvlket onkat este Mvskokvlket owakv?
Were they both Seminole or Muscogee?

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Mvskokvlkt owēkv. Uh huh. Mvt owakv?
We’re Muscogee. That’s what they were?

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Monkv mv este-cate Mvskoke em punvkv opunąyet ’ceculvtēt owv?
So did you grow up speaking the Muscogee language?

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Yeah, mvtvlkusē kērrvyvtēt o.
Yeah, that’s all I knew.

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Mvt opunvkv cenhvteceskv owvtēt owv? Uh-huh.
Was that your first language? Uh-huh.

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Momen Wvcenv em opunvkv tv?
What about English?

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Cokv-heckv ayetskat kērrēt ’ceculemvte?
Did you know it when you went to school?

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Yeah, kērrēt ’cvculet mvt, pum punvkv ’punayēt,
Yeah, I learned as I was growing up, we spoke our language,

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mvhakv-cuko fullen, puhvnhoyēt owēmvtok. Puhvnhoyēt cuko resyicēn mvt ’te-hvtkvlke em punvkv ’punayēn.
and when we came home speaking English, they would get onto us.

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Cv- Cvpuse tatē mvo puhanet owemvtok ’te-hvtke ’punayet rescēyicēn.
My late grandma also got onto us for speaking English when we came home.

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Oh, ’punahoyvrēn yacekot.
Oh, she didn’t want it spoken.

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Onkv mv mvhakv-cuko ’svlicēcetskat mv hvteceskv,
So when you first started school,

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etohkvlketv hvmkat vlicēcetskat,
when you started first grade,

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mvt ’te-hvtke ’punvkv onkv Wvcenv em punvkv kērretskemvte?
did you know the white or English language?

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Yeah, kērrit owemvtok. Kerrepēt?
Yeah, I knew it. You already knew?

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Ryal School kihocat mvn arin.
I went to a school called Ryal.

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Hvtą nak-heckuce hecēpat kērretskvthą?
Did you learn from watching TV?

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Naket?
What?

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’Ste-hvtke em punvkv monkat Wvcenv em punvkv.
The white language or English.

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Kerrekot ’cecolemvte? I mean cokv hēcetskat.
Did you not know it growing up? I mean when you started school.

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’Towēt kērrvyvtē kerre-mahvkot o[s].
I’m not sure how I learned.

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Pum mvhahoyet owet ohą? kerrēskot o[s].
Did they teach us? I really don’t know.

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Mvt, vneu mv ’ste-cate em punvkv mv hvteceskv ’mvtę̄kusen kerrvyēt on.
Me too, I only knew Creek as my first language.

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Mv cokv-heckv ’svlicēcvyat, Wvcenv em punvkv kerrvkot owemvt tont.
When I started school, I didn’t know English.

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Cēmeu cemowetvthą kont ont oki.
I was wondering if you were that way.

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Uh-huh, matvpowēt, matvpowusēt.
Uh-huh, the same, just the same.

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Cokv-heckv ’svtuccenicat mahet mvn
In about the third grade,

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’ste-hvtke punvkv owat onkv Wvcenv em punvkv mvn kerretv ’svlicēcit– ’svlicēcvyēt owēs.
I started learning the white or English language.

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Centv, mv mahet?
And you, around the same time?

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kihcit mvt ’svlicēciyvtē mv ’towusat kerri. Kerrepēt?
When I started, I knew a little bit. You already knew?

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Oh, kerrepēt owat tok mv tat.
Oh, so you already knew.

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Vntat kērrvyvtē kerrvkot o.
For me, I don’t know when I learned.

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Onkv mv cem estvlke mvt onkv, Henryetta mvn vtho– vwēt on mvn onkv,
So your family was from Henryetta,

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mvn liket ’cecolemvte?
is that where you lived and grew up?

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M-hm, mvn ’cvcolemvts.
M-hm, that’s where I grew up.

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Mon cem vliketv tv?
And what is your clan?

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Vm vliketv mvt Eco-vlket owi[s].
My clan is Deer.

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M-hm, Ecot.
M-hm, Deer.

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Onkv mv, hvtvm cem vkvsvmkv owat, etvlwv onkat vkvsvmkv,
So your ground or beliefs,

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you know mēkusvpkv-cuko tis fullephoyet onkv owisen,
you know the ones that go to church,

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you know ’stowēt mowēt vkvsvmē ocēt vrakkųece-mahet vrepetv
you know the one which you have belief in and have great respect for

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’ste fēke mvo ’stenhę̄ret,
that makes a person’s heart feel right,

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you know, fekhvmkē vrepetv,
you know, that makes you feel good,

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este omv̨lkvt vkvsvmkv ocvkēt owētok.
everyone has something they believe in.

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Centv? Estvmimvn cem etvlwv monkat mēkusvpkv-cuko ar’cēt owa?
How about you? Where is your town or church that you go to?

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Vm etvlwv tat Tokepahcet owvtē tē. Cvcke mv fvccv ayat.
My town is Tokepahce. On my mom’s side.

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Cvpuse mvt Ocē Vpofv mvn, mvn arvyēt owē[s], nettv hiyowat.
My grandma is from Hickory ground. That’s where I go these days.

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Onkv mv, honvntaket mv tvsekayvlke kicakhoyat mvt, mv hvnkvtēkat vpvketskēt owa? Mvt ontskv?
So do you belong to the men that are called citizens? Are you one?

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Cvhocefkv mvt, cuko-rakko arvyat Tvstvnvkvlket owi.
As for my name, when I’m at the grounds, I’m a Tvstvnvkvlke.

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’Te-hvtke Wvcenv kicvkat, War Chief kicvkē witē.
In English, you can call it War Chief.

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Onkv vtotketv sulkēn mv yekcvkē owat mvo mv vrahkv hvlvtetskēt owv?
Oh, so there are a lot of duties that you hold with that position?

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Uh-huh, yekcusēt [ow]ē.
Uh-huh, it’s a little difficult.

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Nak ’stenwihokēt on, yekcetv sulkēt [ow]ēt o.
They leave you in charge with many duties.

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M-hm. Cvmvnettusēn vcohlihocvtēn.
M-hm. When I was young, they bestowed them on me.

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Nak em vtotketv owat vm onvyekot ’sarin ’stowusat vcvrahkv, kērrit hiyowat vlakt o.
They didn’t tell me about all the duties, but myself, I learned a little bit as I went along, and that’s where I’m at now.

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Mowē mv mvnette honvntake fullē vculakvtē
When the young men grew up [doing those different duties],

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em vrahkrvkē owēt owakes kowvyēt owē.
they seemed to be in a different category, I think.

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Este ena yekcvkē tot hvtą em vkerrickv mvo yekcvkēt,
A person must be of strong body and strong mind,

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you know, este tis nak sulkēt naoricen vhuerv tis ocaket onkv.
many things can bother someone, such as bills.

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Hvtą ’Stowēt puetak tis hompicit huervhanvyat kowat.
And they worry, “How will I provide food for the children?”

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Vpvlwv fullat enlvpkēn, you know, yekcvke-mahekot.
Some people [fall apart] quickly, you know, they are not very strong [emotionally].

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Enholwahokē hahket hvtą em vkerrickv ’mvrahkē enhakaket owēt ont owisen.
It becomes hard to handle, and their thinking changes without realizing it.

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Mv vne mahusat mv mowē aret hēcvyat,
I myself have seen that happen.

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este-mvskokvlke onkat este-cate honvntake mowē fullę̄pet ’culakvtē
[But] the Muscogee or Indian men who have grown up that way

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tvhopkvkēt owakt os kowvyēt owē.
are more adaptible, I think.

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Ennak mowē ropotecę̄pvtē mowvket os kowvyēt owēs.
I think it’s because of the [discipline] they’ve gone through.

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Mowē ’sestafvckēt vrakkuecvkēt owēs,
We are satisfied and have respect for them,

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hoktvket owēpeyat.
as women.

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Yeah, mv vculvke-vnkē tatē mv fullvtē tat
When our elders were here,

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ēyasketv em ockv ’punvyecaketo mvtok.
they talked about having humbleness.

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Mvn svpaklet.
They stood by that.

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Mvn ocvk[e]n owat mvn omv̨lkus[e]t owēs, mahokēt owemvtat.
If we had those things, that’s all that is needed, they used to say.

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Hiyowat pum mvnette hakēpat puntakwakket o.
Now the young people coming up are not as serious.

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’Tvmi estowis, kowvkat hēcvkat mowēt ont o.
We see it everywhere, it’s that way.

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Mvn mvhayet Ocē Vpofv mvnettakat mv fullat mvn yvtekąkit owvtē[s].
I teach and interpret for the young people at Hickory Ground.

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Mvn ocvkēpate kowvken.
I hope they will have those things.

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Owet hvtvm mvo ’punvkv ohwakkēpat kerrvkekat ’stowusat yekcēt onkvt.
And then if the language goes down and they don’t know it, it’s a little bit hard.

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Mv tat ofv tat ’te-cate ’punvkvt onkv.
Inside [the ring] is Muscogee language.

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Mv ’te-hvtke ’punvkv paskofv ipuncēyētt on owat,
If the English language ever comes into the ring,

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nak-omvlkv somkepvhēs mahoken.
everything will disappear, they used to say.

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Hvte pohvyat, mv tat fvccvn onahoyet os kowvyēt o.
I just heard it, and I believe they are telling the truth.

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’Ste hvnket cvcerwv ‘tepaket welakēn,
I was with my brother,

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’ste hvnket sonkētt on, welakt owēn mv hoktēt ipoh-ahtet owet,
we were at a funeral, and a lady [a younger cousin] came up to us:

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“Centat hiyowat vculvke mahokat mvt owēt owacces.
“Y’all are now the so-called elders,

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Pum estvlke ’pupakvkatskat” pukicahken.
within our family,” she told us.

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Mvnę̄ttus owēt welvkę̄tt os koweyisat vkerriceyat pum vculkv mv vculvke kicakhoyat mvt owē.
We were thinking we were really young. As we thought about it, our generation is what they call elderly.

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’Stvsoksokt owēt on, “Okhoyeko?” kowet ’tehēceyisat mvn tayen okhoyen mvn.
When we were in that crowded place, “She’s right, isn’t she?” we thought and looked at each other and knew they were right.

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’Ste-cate ’punvkv ’tem punąyet owvhanvkat tvlkēs kicēt hvtą
We should be speaking our language to each other, we said, and

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mvnettakate mvo makvnkes mv.
and to the young people, we said, and she agreed.

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Ocē Vpofv stvsokket aret owētok.
[My brother] goes to Hickory Ground.

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mvo ’ste paket mvn mvo makvnkes.
He said the same thing.

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’Towvkvrē te
What will they do

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ohrolopē pale-hokkolat hoyanat sepeko hakētn owat tv? mvt onat owvnk[s].
after twenty years when we’re not around? he was just saying.

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Mvo mowēt on okces.
Yeah, you’re right.

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Kerrąke sekot, ’towēt fvyvtetv kerraket owvhanehą kont kerrakatē kowēt,
They won’t know how to take the lead [if they don’t learn the language], and we want them to learn,

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hiyowē mv etem punahoyēt,
the way are talking to each other,

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’punvkv onkv nak-heckuce ’svhahoyet,
that’s why we are making language videos to show,

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este hecak[e]n owat kerrakvrēs kont owēt ont owisen,
if people see them, they will learn,

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ēme tat mąhusat owvkvhanētok.
it’s going to be up to them.

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Onkv hvtvm ’tekvpvkē pokkeccetvn owat onkat hvtą
So when they’re playing ball together,

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hoktvke mv ton honvntake etem pokkeccetv owat,
the game between the women and men,

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mvo fvccetv estowusat kērrusetskē witētok.
you might really know.

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Mv tv ohfvccv opunvyēcetskē tayv?
Can you talk about it?

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’Stowusat mowē witē.
I might speak a little about it.

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Pum etvlwv tat
Our tribal town

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tasahcof, rvfo hoyvnētn owat,
in the spring when winter passes,

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’met[e]taketv huehketv
the call to get ready

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huehketv hayēt on, tvsvkvyv, hompetv-hayv,
we make the call, to the citizens, the women [cooks],

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hopuetak lopocke, mv cuko ocakat
the children, the camps,

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’purahkvn oki, Ocē Vpofv etvlwv.
I’m speaking for us, Hickory Ground.

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’Svlicēcēn owat mvn hoktvke em pokkeccetv kicvkat,
When we start, what we call the women’s game,

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’sostvn pokkeciyēn mvn hoyvnētn owat
they play four [points] and when that’s over,

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enfesketv huericēt on.
we set the date for sprinkling.

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Mowofvn hoyvnētn owat nak vlicēcetvt onkvt.
And after that’s done, it’s the start of it.

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Mowē tat em vyetv mv tat mvt owētok.
That’s the way we do it.

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ēti etvlwv take tat mvrahkvkēt
The other grounds are different.

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omvlkvn mvrahkvkēt owētok
All of them are different,

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nak towē esfulle[t] owat.
the way they go about their ways.

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Mowen mv pokkeccetv kicvkat
And the ball game we speak of,

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hiyēt ont on owi[s],
even if it’s really hot,

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mvt vretvt onkv. mv enhonrkv
it has to be done. that’s our belief

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mv mahokēt onkv, mv mahokēt, vculvke-vnkē.
that’s what they say, that’s what the elders used to say.

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Mvn em ocak[e]n owat,
if you have that [belief]

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mvn omvlkvt owētok hiyēt ont on owis,
that’s all that matters, even though it’s really hot,

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ratak-aret hvtvm hiyēt os,
you go out there.

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’mehakaten mahoken
Then if it’s hot, they’ll tell us to wait.

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yohfolketv ’stowusat yekcē hakusē owētok.
it’s hard to go back [out there].

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Owis mv pokkeccetv hvmkē yv mv onayvyisē.
the ball game that I was talking about,

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pokkvpe takhuerat,
the pole that’s standing there,

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ekv, wakv ekv kicvkēt witēs.
I guess you can call it a cow head,

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mvn ohlicēt, hvsossv fvccv,
it’s set on top, facing east,

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mv fvccv ’svhēcet,
it faces that way,

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huericēt owētok.
that’s the way we have it standing.

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Ohrolopē ostat mv pokkvpe ’teyoposecetv kowēt owēs, puntat.
For us, we try to change the ball pole every four years.

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Mowofvn mv pokkeccetv pokko hahoyofvn.
When they make the ball for the game.

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Mv hompetv-hayv tat hoktvke cuko-lice tis makvkē witē[s].
Mhe cooks, or women, I guess you might call them the homemakers.

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Enke yusaket ’svfvllaket,
They use their hands to throw,

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honvntake tat mv ’to-konhe ocvkēt onkv mvn yusaket.
and the men have ball sticks, so they use those.

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Em vyetv
Their way is

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palen, palen cahkēpe tis kowi.
ten, fifteen [points], I think.

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Mv tat mv mēcēt on.
That’s what we do.

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Mv nvfkepicet hayet?
You try to hit it to score?

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Nvfkepicet, eto nvfket eto kihoct on owat,
If you hit it, or if they say you hit the tree,

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vhvnkatket, ekv nvfkak[e]n owat,
it counts one, and if you hit the head,

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cahkēpet owē.
it’s five.

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Respohyen, respohyen kicvkat,
When they say it’s over,

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hvtą rvlicēcen,
they start again,

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mv tat eto nafkvkat hvmkusēn vhvmkahket,
when you hit the tree, it’s just one.

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ekvt mv hokkolet [ow]ē.
and the head is two.

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Omvlkvn orak[e]n owat,
When you get to all [the points],

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pale-tuccēnen respoyet owētok.
we finish at thirty.

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Onkv mv honvnwvt onkv hoktēt nafken owat, mv ekv,
So if a man or a woman hits it, the head,

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wakv ekv onkat rvro tis ont on owat,
or cow head, or if it’s a fish,

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cahkēpen emaccet owv? M-hm.
do you give them five? M-hm.

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Mowis mv, cahkēpen mv hoccicaket
So if they get that five,

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takmēcaket taksataket on.
they mark it on the ground.

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Hoktvke tat,
But the women,

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nafkēsko ’stowis,
even if they don’t hit it,

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“Nafkēs” makaken,
they say they hit it,

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hecvke-mahekot owēt onkv.
but we really didn’t see it.

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Hvtą ’svlaksetv ’towusat vpvken.
There’s usually a little bit of cheating going on

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hompetv-hayv vpvkēt owē. Ē oki.
with the cooks. I’m just kidding.

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Puntat hoktvke mowet pokkēccet hayak[e]n owat,
Us women, when we score,

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honvntake fekcahketvt hocefkv ennvrkvpvt os kicēt.
the men get jealous and we say [jealousy] is their middle name.

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Hocefkv ennvrkvpv.
Their middle name.

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fekcahketvt owakt os, mv.
They’re jealous.

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Hoktvke hērat em poyaken,
The women are really beating them,

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scvpakhoket owet ēleskaket efv ehvnhoyēs, hvce,
and they get mad and pout, like when you get onto a dog,

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hvce ēhvlahtet ayēt onko?
and it goes off with its tail tucked in?

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Mowēt vpēyēt on, vpelicēt owēs, puntat.
That’s how they take off, and we laugh at them.

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Yeah, hvmke hoktalat ’te hoyopet on,
This one older lady that watches me,

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“’Svlakset oncces” cvkįcēt owēs.
she is always telling me, “You’re cheating.”

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Vntat ‘svlaksetv kerrvkot owē tat.
Me, I don’t know how to cheat.

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Cvkerrekot ohą kowit owē[s].
I was thinking that she doesn’t really know me.

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Hvtą ē mēcet estak-vpvlatet
[The women] can just throw them to the ground.

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Mon owat hofvnvnkē vculvke-vnkē tat
Long time ago, the elders

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fullvten ohyafken vwahet ont owē, mv tat.
would stay there until the late evening.

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hiyowat tat pum– makvyisē pum mvnettē hakēpat
Now as I said earlier, our young people

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yafkusēn roriceyont on,
show up in the late afternoon

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hvmkusē tis pokkēccet esfullēt owētok, puntat.
just to play one game, we do.

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Owat hvtą hoktvket mv pokko esvkētn owat,
Well, when the women get the ball,

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onkat puntat orēn esekon kont ’stakfullēt hayēpēt ont owan
we don’t want [the men] to get the ball.

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honvnwvt mv pokko ēs[e]n owat,
if a man gets the ball,

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spunletkēpē ha[ye]n owat orēn hvnket
and runs away from us with it,

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rim vpvcēsset, mv hvnket lētken
one tries to block him, there might be one that runs

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onkat vhvpakkuecet,
or that will shove him,

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puntat ennokkicē tayat estos kowēkot,
we don’t even care if we hurt him,

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mēcēt owētok.
we just do it.

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Mowat cvpakhǫkesekot owakēs.
They don’t get mad.

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Owat enhervkēt
They have a good time

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pumpokkeccakt onkv kont.
when they play ball with us.

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competition kicvkis ont os.
I guess you can call it competition.

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Mvn owakē witē[s].
That might be why.

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Mvt hvtvm mv…
And another thing…

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Iem vceyvlhoyat mvn owakē witē.
It might be that we are fighting back to win.

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mv pokkeccetv ohfvccv tat
Regarding the ball game

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mv vhakv, hompetv-hayv mvn ocvtē owē, mvn.
there’s rules for the women.

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Ennokketv ocaket onkv
They have a [monthly], so

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mvn mowēn owat pokkeccvkeko tayen owēs
if it’s their time, they can’t play ball,

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mahokēt owē, mv tat, mv tat tayos[e]n owaket o.
that’s what they used to say, and they were very right.

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Vrakkuecetv, mv hoktvke sulkē kerhoyat
Out of respect, I know a lot of women

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mowvkēt owat mvn kerrvkēpet owēt owan okces.
and they know that rule that you mentioned.

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Mv vrakkuecetvt os makaket.
So they say they have to respect that rule.

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Owen mv fayetv tv?
And what about hunting?

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Fayetskēt owv?
Do you hunt?

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Mv enhompetv kict okhoyvnte?
The feeding I guess they used to call it?

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enhompetv vrahkvn owat onkat enfesketv kiceccisē.
For the feeding or the sprinkling you mentioned.

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enhompahket hvtą fayv– enhompvkvhanat fayakēt owē.
when they’re going to eat together, they would go hunting.

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Mv tv, fayetskēt owv?
Do you hunt that way?

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ayet owvnkat eccv ocvkot on.
I used to go but I don’t have a gun now.

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Mv enfeskv kicat enfesketv osten ocēt owē, mv ’svlicēckv.
When I said sprinkle, we do it four times, at the beginning.

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Mowof mv
When that’s done

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heles-celakv mvn ’svlicehcēt
we start the use of medicine

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hvtvm spokvkē kicvkē witē.
and then at the end, I guess you’d call it,

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’sakhottetv owat hvtvm mvn ocēt [ow]ē.
they have to do it again for closure.

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Fayetv, fayet arvyēt owvnkat eccvn ocvkot on,
To hunt, I used to go hunting, I didn’t have a gun.

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vm pvlhoyen arvyēt owē.
They would lend me one.

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Vnhomechoyowen ’stempohin,
they would get frustrated with me for asking.

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mowis rahvkat hvcce tis aklatket
But when you shoot something and it falls in the river

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ak-ayen owat esetvt owēs mahoken mvn
you go in and get it, they said,

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pohit owēt o mvn ’tem onayet
that’s what I’ve always heard and they would tell each other that,

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hvtvm ’tem ehkakēt owētok,
and they would hide from you,

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ero tat nak ētv.
squirrels and other things,

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ēhkakof mahoken pohvketvt onkv mv fvccvt os kowit onkv, vntat.
when they hide, they said, I’ve heard that, and it is true, I think.

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Hompekot, hompekot vyetv mv mit takēt owē[s] mvn pohvyvtēt onkv.
You don’t eat, it’s better not to eat when you go hunting, I’ve always heard.

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Mvn mēcetv kowvyēt owē, vntat vcvrąhkusat tat.
I try to do that, myself.

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Ētvn ’towēt mv tat kerrēskot onkv.
I don’t know how the others do it.

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Mo[we]n mv hvsossv ton hvsaklatkv ’tekepvkē kicet pokkeccohoyat, mv tv,
How about the east and west game,

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’stvpaket pokkecceccēt owv?
do you play with them?

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Estvpakit owvnkat hiyowat vculkv kihcvkē tis kicvkē witēs.
I used to join in, but now I guess you could call it old age.

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Mowis vcvcolvtēt onkv owis, mvn
But I grew up [playing it]

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’Towē tayen mowē tayen owat atakhuervyēt owē.
If I am able to get out there, I stand out there.

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Mvn ’punvyēcvkat mvn
What we talked about

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’spokē kicvkē witē.
toward the end, I guess you would say.

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Etvlwv ’teyocn owat,
When the grounds join together,

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enhessetake mvn osten ohhuerkaket
he’ll call upon four of his friends,

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’pvnkv mvt ’svlicēceko monken, yahket on.
before they start the dance, they whoop.

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Pokko hvtvm pokko ’mvyvhiketv makaken yahketv tis.
They want to hear a song for the ball, they say, or whoop.

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Mvn mēcaken afvcketv ’svlicēcahken ’pvnąken,
When they do this, they start the celebration and they dance,

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nettv hvtke rorofvn, mv afvcketv tat fekhonnicahket,
when it reaches daybreak, they stop the celebration,

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hvyakpo hvtke mvn ‘svhecaket ont o roricaken
they go and check on their field and clear it.

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etvlwv hessetake, mvn makeyisē,
The town friends I was talking about,

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ēyasketv, vnokeckv [’t]eropottēn ’tenwiket,
they leave with humbleness and love,

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mahokēt owe, mv tat, mvo
you used to hear that,

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pohēskot onkv.
but you don’t hear it anymore.

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Hvtvm mvo vculvke-vnkē
Now the elders before–

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’towēt– ’towusat ascvhost o.
I’ve forgotten a little.

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Vculvke-vnkē mvn em etehosickv mvt owē witēs makakēt owemvtok.
The elders before would say [humbleness and love] help you from being distracted.

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Puntat ohrolopē orat ’pvnkv pokkeccekot owē.
Us, we don’t play or dance once the year begins.

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Hvtvm mv ētv ocēt owē.
There are different ways.

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rvfo porkvt [?] owēs kowi.
I think it’s during the winter.

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Mv tat nak ’stem ocakat, ’sohfvccēcetv kicvkē witē.
If they have [issues], they have to fulfill it, you could say.

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Mvn mahokēt owe, mv tat
That’s what they used to say.

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Wikakvtēs. ’Spokē pokkechoyema, pokkechoyvtē, thirties mahēt owvtēt owe, ’spokē.
They quit [that winter game]. The last game that was played was around the ’30s.

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Dustin mahen ocaket owe, mv.
They had it around Dustin.

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Hiyowat tat hvtvm mohweko witēs kowvyēt o, vntat.
Me, I don’t think that would happen again now.

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Yeah, mv ’mvtēkat wikakvtēs kihocetvn pohit owē, [mvn] okces.
Yeah, I’ve heard since that time they quit, as you say.

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Orēt owvtēs kicē owēt okhoyemvts.
They said it was really something.

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Mvo pokkeccaket, mv tokonhe tis vcopv vcakhvkēn,
When they played, they had nails in their ball sticks,

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mowē tis pokkeccaken.
that’s how they were playing.

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hiyowat mahokvtē, mvt elkv vpvkēt owemvtok mahoke mvtok.
As we heard, death was part of it, they used to say.

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Ohwen vsehkv hayakvtēt ont owv kont ēnhvlvtetv.
Then they made guidelines, or to hold yourself back.

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Vsehkv hayakvtēt on. Hayakvtē witvtē tis.
They had made guidelines. They probably told them.

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Pokko mvn avlihohcen,
When they released the ball,

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ē mvn ’tetopoyaken ’svlicēcaket,
that’s when the fighting began,

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pokkeccetv tat mēcvkekatēt os, hvtvm pohvkēt owemvtok.
they never played ball, we used to hear.

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mv makvyisē ētv hecakvtē vrahkv vkerrickv mvn ocakt owetok.
As I have said, others who have seen the game have their opinions.

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Vntat yvn okvyat, vntat pohvyvtēt [ow]ē ’mvtvlkusen okvyvtēt [ow]ē.
But me, what I’ve said is just what I’ve heard.

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Yv nak mowvkēn pohvket onahoyen,
We used to hear things like this that people would tell,

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cvrke mvo onayat pohvyvtē mvn okces.
I have also heard my dad talk about what you said.

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Mowet ’makhottǫhoyvtēt owēs makē owēt onayēt owemvtes.
That’s why they shut it down, they told me.

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Hiyowat fekhohnet.
We’ll stop now.

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Hiyowat mv ohcukuce you know este hopelkv tis ohhahicakhoyēt ont on,
Now you know the houses they build on top of the graves,

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mv ohfvccv estowusat mv tat kērretskēt owv?
do you know a little bit about those?

302
00:20:25,850 –> 00:20:29,708
mv tat ’stowusat pohvyvtēt o.
I’ve heard a little bit about it.

303
00:20:29,708 –> 00:20:38,722
Mv ’towis, hocefhoyan vntat pohvyat mv “cuko-hute” pohvyvtēt o.
They call it several things, but I’ve heard “dwelling”.

304
00:20:38,722 –> 00:20:47,710
’Tofvn mvn ohranhoyen owat, ohranhoyen owat, nahvnke tis kerrēpē witvtē, mvn.
Whenever it’s covered, when it’s covered, the relatives will know.

305
00:20:47,710 –> 00:20:51,933
Hayetv owat mvn em pohvkvnton.
They would ask them how to make it.

306
00:20:51,933 –> 00:20:52,974

307
00:20:52,974 –> 00:20:59,103
Mvn okvyisē ’mvrahkvkēt onkv, mvt. Em pohahken mvn.
As I said earlier, they’re different. So they’ll ask them.

308
00:20:59,103 –> 00:21:07,440
Mēcof, nettv ostat vtēken nettv ’sosticat cuko ohlicetvt os.
While it’s being built, on the fourth day, it gets put on the grave.

309
00:21:07,440 –> 00:21:10,219
Mahokvtē, mvt.
That’s what they say.

310
00:21:10,219 –> 00:21:13,040
Mvn pohvyvtēt onkv, vcvrahkusat tat.
That’s what I’ve always heard.

311
00:21:13,040 –> 00:21:15,590
Vneu mvn pohvyvtēt os.
I’ve heard that, too.

312
00:21:15,590 –> 00:21:20,590
Mvt nake vrahkvt owakt owē tē?
What’s the reason for that?

313
00:21:20,590 –> 00:21:24,273
Mv cuko tat mv puyvfekcv kicvkē, puyvfekcv.
The house is for their spirit, I guess you can say, spirit.

314
00:21:24,273 –> 00:21:29,220
Mv somkēpat, mv nettv ’sosticat, mv,
When someone passes, on the fourth day,

315
00:21:29,220 –> 00:21:39,606
nak kihcvkē tis, nak nettv ’sostat, nak ocetv mēc–
on the fourth day, there’s things to do,

316
00:21:39,606 –> 00:21:42,900
mēcvhanat, mowē on mahokēt owemvtok.
they used to say, that’s how things were to be done.

317
00:21:42,900 –> 00:21:45,558
mvn pohvyēt onkv, mvn oki, yv.
that’s what I’ve heard, I mean.

318
00:21:45,558 –> 00:21:49,620
’Mvrahkvt ont owē witē ētv pohvkat, mahokat.
There may be other differences that we hear.

319
00:21:49,620 –> 00:21:52,821
Ohwen hvtvm mvo vhvokuce,
And what about the window,

320
00:21:52,821 –> 00:21:57,660
cutkus owēt mv vlilvkē, mv vlilvkēt on hēcvyēt ont owē, mv tat.
I’ve seen a little window.

321
00:21:57,660 –> 00:21:59,460
Mv nake vrahket owa, mv?
what’s the reason for that?

322
00:21:59,460 –> 00:22:01,966
’Stempohvyvtē sekot owemvtok.
I’ve never asked anyone about it.

323
00:22:01,966 –> 00:22:04,810
Puhvnhihocēt owēt o, nak ’svpohvken.
They would scold us for asking questions.

324
00:22:04,810 –> 00:22:07,460
Mv tv, naken ohfvccvt owvtē kērretskv?
Do you know what the reason was?

325
00:22:07,460 –> 00:22:09,689
Mv tat kerrvkot os cē.
I don’t know about that.

326
00:22:09,689 –> 00:22:12,717
Vhvokuce owusēt vlikēt owēt owemvts.
It’s like a little window on it.

327
00:22:12,717 –> 00:22:16,260
Hiyowēn hēcvkat tat ocēt onkv.
Now when we see them they have them.

328
00:22:16,260 –> 00:22:22,335
Cokv oh-onayen, hēcvyat mowēt onayet owvnks, akhottēt.
I was reading a book and saw where it talked about it it being closed.

329
00:22:22,335 –> 00:22:26,395
Nak acēyeko tayat mowē on, mahoken.
So things can’t come in, they say.

330
00:22:26,395 –> 00:22:30,360
Mvt oketv ’stofv tis,
During that time, sometimes,

331
00:22:30,360 –> 00:22:35,720
mv em estvlke mv mv somkēpat onkat
does the family of the deceased,

332
00:22:35,720 –> 00:22:43,214
em enhopelkvt oh-vpēyat mv hompetv ’sem vtehakē emonkvt owēt ohą?
still go to the grave and put food in there?

333
00:22:43,214 –> 00:22:46,370
Mv mēhocen hēcvyvtēt o,
I’ve seen them do that,

334
00:22:46,390 –> 00:22:53,952
hompetv tis, nak accvke tis, mv vccēpvtē
with food and the clothes they used to wear,

335
00:22:53,952 –> 00:22:55,070
mahokēt on, mvtat.
that’s what they used to say.

336
00:22:55,070 –> 00:22:57,470
hvpv– cokv oh-onayat makvyisē,
What I was saying about reading that book,

337
00:22:57,470 –> 00:23:03,314
owat mēhocekot owemvt os makēt owa[nks]. Mv tat kerrepvkot os.
they didn’t do that, it said. But I don’t know that.

338
00:23:03,314 –> 00:23:05,540
Mv tat hofonvnkēt o.
That was a long time ago.

339
00:23:05,540 –> 00:23:09,425
Owen hvtą ’ste hvnket mv,
And one person,

340
00:23:09,425 –> 00:23:13,840
mv este-cate ’meste-hopelkv sulkē ocat
where Indians have many graves,

341
00:23:13,840 –> 00:23:19,890
em estvlke monkat nahvnkvlke em este-hopelkv ocakat
their family’s or relative’s graves,

342
00:23:19,890 –> 00:23:26,339
nak stowen mv encuko lekąfkus owēn hakakt owan ’mvhericvkeko tayet ont owa?
why are the houses falling apart and why can’t they repair them?

343
00:23:26,339 –> 00:23:32,140
makaket vpohkv hayakēt ont o.
they ask those questions.

344
00:23:32,140 –> 00:23:38,350
Este hvnket ’stofvnken ’mvhericvhanekot owēs maket onayin pohit, mv tat.
I heard one person say we’re not to ever repair them.

345
00:23:38,350 –> 00:23:42,111
Mv tv, nak ston okhoyēt owē tē?
Why do they say that?

346
00:23:42,111 –> 00:23:43,630
Mv tat kerrvkot os.
I don’t know about that.

347
00:23:43,630 –> 00:23:48,762
Ēn mēcetv tokot os mahokēt owemvtok.
You’re just not supposed to do that, they used to say.

348
00:23:48,762 –> 00:23:55,920
Mvt ēkvnv owat yohfolket owet ohą? kērrēskot.
Is it returning back to earth? I really don’t know.

349
00:23:55,940 –> 00:24:02,150
Nak mowat ēn ’stem onahoyen, vpohkv tat hayēskot owemvtok.
They would tell us things like that and we would never ask questions.

350
00:24:02,150 –> 00:24:06,572
Nak mahoken owat, ’mvtvlkusēn mapohicēt.
If they said those things, we just listened.

351
00:24:06,572 –> 00:24:09,710
Mowat tv, hahic’tv kerretskēt owv?
Do you know how to build them?

352
00:24:09,710 –> 00:24:10,980
Mv tat kerrvkot o.
I don’t know.

353
00:24:10,980 –> 00:24:13,950
Oh, kerretskekot owv?
Oh, you don’t know?

354
00:24:13,950 –> 00:24:23,787
Vneu, mowisen hvnke mv cuko-rakko fullat ecerwvt hahicet on.
Me too, there’s one person at the grounds, her brother makes them.

355
00:24:23,787 –> 00:24:28,560
mahoket on kerrēpvt[et] owēt o kowvyvnt oki.
That’s what they told me. I thought he must’ve just learned.

356
00:24:28,560 –> 00:24:30,922
Estimvt hahicat vneu kerrvkot owē.
I don’t know anyone that makes them either.

357
00:24:30,922 –> 00:24:35,040
Hvmke yv– mv fvccv tat punahvnke hokkol[at] mahen welaket owe.
One– there’s about two of our relatives that are around that way.

358
00:24:35,050 –> 00:24:41,120
Pokko mvn enhayēn, pum mēcaket owemvtok.
We make balls for them, and they would do that for us.

359
00:24:41,120 –> 00:24:50,010
Mv nak hayetv owat Kennedy Lumber Henryetta nak hayetv owat nak omvlkvn ocvketok.
To make those, Kennedy Lumber in Henryetta has those kits and everything.

360
00:24:50,010 –> 00:24:53,140
Oh, ete-vpoyetv owat.
Oh, to put those together.

361
00:24:53,140 –> 00:24:55,650
Mvo orēn kerrvkēpvt ohą, mv?
They must’ve really learned how to build it?

362
00:24:55,650 –> 00:24:58,263
’ste catvlke sulkēt mv ak-vpokētok.
Because there’s a lot of natives that live there.

363
00:24:58,263 –> 00:25:01,700
Em pohaken owē hahicvkēpvt[e]t ohą?
They probably kept asking for them, so they must have started building them?

364
00:25:01,700 –> 00:25:06,502
Uh-huh, mowēt mēcahket ’semokhakvkēpat.
Uh-huh, they just started doing it and got used to it.

365
00:25:06,502 –> 00:25:10,220
Mv hę̄re-mahet, vnicakt owis ont os.
That’s really good, they’re helpful.

366
00:25:10,220 –> 00:25:13,022
Mowis enfektvt owētok. Uh-huh.
but you have to pay them. Uh-huh.

367
00:25:13,022 –> 00:25:16,820
Onkv mv etem punahoyat mv
What we have talked about,

368
00:25:16,820 –> 00:25:18,920
este-mvnettvlke awē
the young people that are coming up

369
00:25:18,920 –> 00:25:24,089
kerraket onkv ’punvkv tis kerrakēt kowet.
I want them to learn, I want them to learn the language.

370
00:25:24,089 –> 00:25:27,220
Awet owvhanat, you know,
Those coming up, you know,

371
00:25:27,220 –> 00:25:30,920
puntat opunahǫyen owe estowisen,
even though we continue to speak,

372
00:25:30,920 –> 00:25:34,200
estofv tis welakvhanekot onkv,
we’re not going to be here forever,

373
00:25:34,200 –> 00:25:39,842
este ’punahǫyat fullvhanekot fulle-mahekaretok.
so those that speak are not going to be around much longer.

374
00:25:39,842 –> 00:25:43,258
Mowē mvnettvke awet monkat
The youth that are coming up, or else

375
00:25:43,258 –> 00:25:47,696
cuko-rakko tis fullet onkat mēkosvkpv-cuko owē tis fullet mvn
they should be going to the grounds or churches,

376
00:25:47,696 –> 00:25:52,260
em ē-vkvsvmkv owat estowet fulletv ’yacēpat.
whatever their belief is, they should attend.

377
00:25:52,260 –> 00:26:02,346
Estowēt opunvkv–nake te?–emohhvyayicetv owat onkat ’semohyekcicetv ocetskv?
About the language–what is it?–do you have enlightenment or encouragement [for those that are coming up]?

378
00:26:02,346 –> 00:26:04,370
you know, mv–yv hiyowē.
you know, like this.

379
00:26:04,370 –> 00:26:05,400
Mvhayetv?
To teach them?

380
00:26:05,400 –> 00:26:11,318
Ē nak em onvyetv, mowet kerraket kowet, you know,
Just to tell them something that you want them to learn, you know,

381
00:26:11,318 –> 00:26:14,139
’sem ohyvteketv owat.
explain to them.

382
00:26:14,139 –> 00:26:23,120
Mvhayetv mvt, mvn orētt o, owis hiyowat tat.
To teach them, it’s come to that point.

383
00:26:23,120 –> 00:26:25,654
kerretv ’yacvkekon fullēt onkv,
They seem to not want to learn,

384
00:26:25,654 –> 00:26:28,480
vrahkvkvt owisen,
even though its their choice,

385
00:26:28,480 –> 00:26:33,221
mowet mv nak monkot owvhanekot owetok ’punvkv punsomkepvhanet onkv.
we shouldn’t be that way, but we are going to lose our language.

386
00:26:33,221 –> 00:26:36,916
kerrvkēpatē eskowvket ont owis
even though we hope that they will learn, but

387
00:26:36,916 –> 00:26:46,547
’towepvkvrēt o? ’Tvmi tis nak oh-vpēyet mēcaket onkv.
how will they be? They go elsewhere doing other things.

388
00:26:46,547 –> 00:26:47,782

389
00:26:47,782 –> 00:26:54,511
Mv mēkusvpkv kiceccisē
You were talking about the church,

390
00:26:54,511 –> 00:27:01,790
mv cuko-rakko tvlkusēt kerri.
I only know about the grounds.

391
00:27:01,790 –> 00:27:07,303
Mēkusvpkv hvnke vcaksomecicakt owemvtok.
One church, they baptized me

392
00:27:07,303 –> 00:27:12,057
’Toh-ahyet, aetohkvlkahket.
You go forward and include yourself.

393
00:27:12,057 –> 00:27:17,330
Nak kicvkē ta[ye]t owat, est-opunvyēckv tvlkusowen.
you can talk about things, but they just gossip about people.

394
00:27:17,330 –> 00:27:19,685
Mēhocen wihkt owvyvnks, wihkit.
They continued, so I just quit.

395
00:27:19,685 –> 00:27:24,294
cuko-rakko min yohfolkētt owvyanks. Mowis vculvke-vnkē, mvt.
I returned back to the ceremonial ground. But the elders,

396
00:27:24,294 –> 00:27:27,044
ēkvn-lecvn aweyvtēt owē.
we come from beneath the ground.

397
00:27:27,044 –> 00:27:31,574
Mv cuko-rakko mv tvlkusēn,
The ceremonial ground is the only thing,

398
00:27:31,574 –> 00:27:34,350
yv yihcēn.
we came here.

399
00:27:34,350 –> 00:27:39,750
Mēkusapvlke mēkusvpkv-cuko mv ’svlicēcaket onko?
The Christians start with the church, don’t they?

400
00:27:39,750 –> 00:27:43,810
Mv cuko-rakko mvt matat owē tat onkv.
The ceremonial ground is the same way.

401
00:27:43,810 –> 00:27:46,890
Mv mēkusvpkvlke tat ’tehvtkvlke ennakt owēs,
Christianity belongs to the white people,

402
00:27:46,890 –> 00:27:49,863
vculvke-vnkē makąkēt owemvtok. Owis
the elders used to say that.

403
00:27:49,863 –> 00:27:54,530
hiyowat tat ’towēt vkerricakat ’towēt kowakn owat.
But now however they think, whatever they want

404
00:27:54,530 –> 00:27:57,714
Mowēt ont owis mēkusapvlke fullat,
it’s just that way, the Christians,

405
00:27:57,714 –> 00:28:00,943
mv cuko-rakko fullat nak kicakēt owētok.
they say things about the ceremonial ground.

406
00:28:00,943 –> 00:28:01,944

407
00:28:01,944 –> 00:28:04,232
Mvo vculakvtēt owēt onkv.
They were the ones that grew up there, too.

408
00:28:04,232 –> 00:28:09,620
Vnet cvrket mvt mowēt cuko-rakko aret owvten,
Me, my dad went to the grounds,

409
00:28:09,620 –> 00:28:14,096
hvtą cvcke mvo locv ’sopanet aret vcvcolvtēt owēs makēt owe, mv tat.
and then my mom told me she grew up shaking turtle shells.

410
00:28:14,096 –> 00:28:18,762
Mv vkerrickv ’mvrahkuecahkofvn, mvn
When they changed their minds,

411
00:28:18,762 –> 00:28:24,900
cvpuset mvt enrapt owe witvtē.
my grandmother became against [the ground].

412
00:28:24,900 –> 00:28:28,539
Mv welakvtēt, mv etvlwv ohwen.
they went there, to their town.

413
00:28:28,539 –> 00:28:31,640
Mēkusvpkv-cuko min fullē hakēpvtēt on.
They later started going to church instead.

414
00:28:31,640 –> 00:28:37,899
Cvrket mvt vyetv ’yacet ont owisen, “Cecket mv min vcak-vpeyvhant owacces”
My dad wanted to go [to the ground], but he told us “y’all are going to go with my mom instead.”

415
00:28:37,899 –> 00:28:40,650
pukicekvt, mv fullēko owē, mv tat.
So we didn’t go [to the grounds].

416
00:28:40,650 –> 00:28:44,257
Owisen vkerricvyat cvrke este hę̄rēt owet.
But as I think about it, my father was a good person.

417
00:28:44,257 –> 00:28:50,639
Hvtą este ētv mvo mowēt fullēpvtē mowētt fullē ’svculvkēpvtē.
And other people have gone that way and have grown up that way.

418
00:28:50,639 –> 00:28:54,490
Este herąke-mahēt ont os kowvyēt ont o.
I think they are good people.

419
00:28:54,490 –> 00:28:58,432
Mvo fvccē on fullētt owan okhos kont, vkerrickv,
As I think about it, that way seems right, too,

420
00:28:58,432 –> 00:29:02,630
vkerrickv yekcēn vm ocēt owēs.
and my feelings are strong on that.

421
00:29:02,630 –> 00:29:05,476
Ohwen mowet mvo vneu arit hēcvyat
What I’ve seen

422
00:29:05,476 –> 00:29:08,050
este-catet owēpvyat ’svcafvckēt owēs.
as a native person, I’m happy.

423
00:29:08,050 –> 00:29:11,680
Onkv mv estet owisen mvn ’tektv̨nkusēt os.
But then a person has that freedom.

424
00:29:11,680 –> 00:29:16,140
’stowēt vrepvhanat mv mowēt ont on okhoyes.
to go wherever you want, is the way it is, they say.

425
00:29:16,140 –> 00:29:21,190
’ste-catet owepeyat ’stowusat pum etehosihocē owē owvtēt ont on ko[we]t [okis.]
As native people, it seems that they confused us, I think.

426
00:29:21,190 –> 00:29:24,815
este-cate ’punvyvkat kerrētt vrēpvkat
Speaking the native language

427
00:29:24,815 –> 00:29:25,957

428
00:29:25,957 –> 00:29:27,580
mv min hę̄ret ont os.
is a better way.

429
00:29:27,580 –> 00:29:30,970
Hofonof tat ’punvyekot pukihocen,
Long time ago, they told us not to speak our language,

430
00:29:30,970 –> 00:29:35,426
’ste-catet owēpeyat mowē vretv ’stepenkvlēcvkē owēt owemvtok.
it was scary for us natives.

431
00:29:35,426 –> 00:29:42,220
Mvn owisen hiyowat mvn ’towēsekot owētt os kowit owēs.
Now it’s not like that anymore, I think.

432
00:29:42,220 –> 00:29:45,323
Mv– hvtvm yv ’stowusat mahkin,
Again, I want to say a little more.

433
00:29:45,323 –> 00:29:53,603
mv Mvskoke tat ’tofvn em vliketv ocvkēt owē.
Muscogees will have their clans for forever.

434
00:29:53,603 –> 00:29:55,230
Cuko-rakko ocvkēt owē.
They will have the ceremonial grounds.

435
00:29:55,230 –> 00:29:57,763
Mvo kerrvkekot
but they don’t know that either,

436
00:29:57,763 –> 00:30:07,199
hvtvm fettv tis ofv tis ’pvnaken,
they dance inside and outside,

437
00:30:07,199 –> 00:30:09,010
vsēhoyen owemvtat
they used to caution against that.

438
00:30:09,010 –> 00:30:13,815
Hiyowat tat toknawv tis hayaket ohhayaket
Now they do it for the money,

439
00:30:13,815 –> 00:30:16,438
mv tat tayet, tayekot o.
that’s not right.

440
00:30:16,438 –> 00:30:20,170
Mv vcvrahkusat, vm vkerrickv.
For me, those are my thoughts.

441
00:30:20,170 –> 00:30:29,131
Hvtvm mowē esfullē nokkv tis hvlvtakēt on, mvt owē witēs kowit vkerricvyēt owē.
Those that continue to do so sometimes become sick, I think that might be the reason.

442
00:30:29,131 –> 00:30:34,040
Nak mowat vyakhvnkv mowekot owēs mahoken,
They say it won’t happen right away,

443
00:30:34,050 –> 00:30:39,650
hvtą oketv ąyin kerkē hakvtēs makēt okhoyvnte.
as time goes on, it will become evident, they used to say.

444
00:30:39,650 –> 00:30:44,379
Mv mowēt kihcat ennokketv monkv estvlikēt os kihocat.
The sickness will come up on people, as they said.

445
00:30:44,379 –> 00:30:48,380
Vntat nak vm onahoyat,
What I was told,

446
00:30:48,380 –> 00:30:50,970
nak ’stowen ’stem pohvkot owemvtok.
I didn’t ask questions.

447
00:30:50,970 –> 00:30:53,729
Ē vm onahohyen ’mvtvlkus.
That’s just what I was told.

448
00:30:53,729 –> 00:30:55,360
’Stem onahoyekot owemvtok.
They didn’t tell anyone why.

449
00:30:55,360 –> 00:31:01,620
Nak mēcvs mahoken owat, nak stowen kicet vpohkv hayvkot owemvtok.
When they told you to do something, I didn’t ask why.

450
00:31:01,620 –> 00:31:03,307
Nak onahoyat mvt
When they tell these things,

451
00:31:03,307 –> 00:31:06,690
hvtvm mēcvs mahokat, mvn vhueretv kowvyēt owē.
and say “Do it!”, I try to abide by that.

452
00:31:06,690 –> 00:31:09,720
Mvt hę̄re-maht owes.
That’s very good.

453
00:31:09,720 –> 00:31:14,900
Mvn ’punvkv herąken vsvpaklvhaneyat onkat
To abide by these good words

454
00:31:14,900 –> 00:31:20,564
apohicet mv apohicaket onkat pohaket fulle– mvnettvlke fullet onkat, este
or to mind and to listen, the young people should listen as we go about,

455
00:31:20,564 –> 00:31:26,003
este-cate estimvt estowis mvn pohaket owvhanat mvn vsvpaklet
and any natives whatsoever should hear and abide by them,

456
00:31:26,003 –> 00:31:29,010
ēme mahusat owephoyvrē tis onkv,
it’s up to themselves,

457
00:31:29,010 –> 00:31:31,350
owisen kerraket owvrēs kowit, mv.
but we want them to know, I think.

458
00:31:31,350 –> 00:31:35,702
yv Robin Soweka mvt ’punvkv owat pum onayen,
That’s why Robin Soweka has told us [these things] in the language,

459
00:31:35,702 –> 00:31:38,601
estowvkēt owat mvn
how these things are,

460
00:31:38,601 –> 00:31:44,790
’stowusat tat pum onayat tat kērret fullet owvkvrēs kowēt, mvn yv
he’s told us a little bit, hoping they will learn from this.

461
00:31:44,790 –> 00:31:47,560
etem punahoyet ohwēs.
and that why we’re talking together.

462
00:31:47,560 –> 00:31:49,000
Mvto cekicit os.
I say thank you.

463
00:31:49,000 –> 00:31:54,245
Cēmeu. Mvto.
You, too. Thank you.

464
00:31:54,245 –> 00:31:55,247